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Tamsin Haggis's avatar

You listened to it? I thought I had to record for you to do that! No wonder I thought Rogue's voice didn't sound like I'm imagined it would....

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Joana P. R. Neves's avatar

Hi Tamsin! I’m intrigued by your account which left me in a state I can’t quite define. It lifts me up and then it drops me in a dense but soft material. I can’t explain it otherwise. Will you be patient with me? I’ll try to make sense of what puzzled me and, on the other side, touched me deeply. I’m an outsider too. But I’m a nomadic soul now, I no longer feel like physically moving around anymore…

Every time you mention art, or contemporary European art, it’s with a certain trepidation. Yet you went to art school and then you came back to your practice. Then you mention in a beautiful passage the translation (and I’ve been working on the very notion for the past few weeks for the episode that dropped today so I loved reading that). Yet you talk about the chapel and its art, refusing to know more about it while you spent a whole year on a text and analyzing several translations. It feels like you expect immediacy from visual art. Had you not spent so much time translating would you have felt the same connection to the pockets of meanings you found in it?

I also feel the weight of catholic religion in a lot of art, philosophy and architecture which does not interest me at all. But if you know that then surely you know it’ not for you? I never watched a lot of films everyone was talking about - I was watching something else. Other stuff those who said I was missing out on didn’t know about.

I felt a kinship with you because most things that seem to interest people in art (and therefore life) feel beside the point to me. Big movements, sweeping time frames, visual quotes of “masters” bore me to tears. Yet.. surely you picked up something here and there. I do. Those angels seem straight from a Pride parade… nothing catholic about them.

I like it when you say that you’re an outsider everywhere - I feel the same, but I love the feeling. I don’t understand wanting to belong. I was into Tibetan Buddhism (still am) but it also has its blindspots.

You mention Gandhi, but he was so toxic to his niece, he used the women in his life in such a self-serving manner: when I heard the stories about this I thought… we’re not so different after all. Art may just be the only place where there is no dogma (apart from schools and some authoritarian artists but who cares about them?) unlike religion and so many cults out there, wellness, beauty, masculinity and so on.

The way you described the women sleeping is, I’m almost sure, the way the artist would have preferred… And that’s already engaging with it. Not sure art is there for great epiphanies and pleasures. The day I knew one of my kids was in love, was when he came home with a strange and serious calm. No giggles or great manifestations, but a sort of dense presence, almost sad. He knew it was beginning of something- a long road ahead with this person he was now starting to adjust to.

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